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This is what I have about #1137: Aug74 CG-VIT to Lambair; Jun76 C-GVHC to Olympic Helicopters; Dec76 N47308 to Aerospatiale Helicopter Co.; Oct19 N71PU to QualitAir Llc. & Aug20 to Fresh Heli LLC.
As a thumb rule, if you see an ALAT Gazelle without the doppler fairing (the square-shaped box underneath the aft fuselage), it is a 341. And if you see an ALAT Gazelle with a side-mounted gun, it is a 341 as well.
Fabrice, the doppler fairing is removed when the aircraft goes through the demilitarisation process when they leave the French military.
Indeed! And I assume some extra weight might be added somewhere in the nose to keep the W & B. But as long as the Gazelle is in ALAT service, if doppler you have, 342 it is!
Hi, in the June issue of Le Fana Aviation magazine you can find second part of Rwandan air arms article. Info and pics include Gazelle SA-342L 2237/10K19 (F-ZKBE), 2237/10K18 (F-ZKBN) and a tail of 1872/10K09. I can post it but dont want to brake the copyright. Thanks !
Looks like a chap in the workshop didn't bother himself with such 'trivia' as different SA341 & SA342 masks for applying the type lettering on the machine after they repaint it
It's indeed HO-45 12872 and the photo was probably taken in 1993. Her pilot at the time Coll. Veljko Leka (on the photo) was well known because of, among other things, over 600 medevac missions he did with his Gazelle during wartime.
Yes I have seen the photos of N38763, this owner is not a stranger to Hillers. Way back he owned N62171 but sold it in Ireland. I was given the details of the new owner and during a trip to Ireland I located it and the new owner kindly pulled it out of its hangar and let me photograph it. He also had a Tiger Moth in the hangar.
Avia member Liberio, owner of N37UP, has been protected by the hand of God during a recent incident which occurred near Lake Bolsena in the province of Viterbo in central Italy.
Liberio was flying with his passenger, the mayor of Capodimonte, when '7UP' came under fire, literally. 7UP received around six shots from a high-powered rifle causing damage to the cabin Perspex, the aircraft's belly and its tailboom. Two of the shots impacted the pilot's door directly opposite where Liberio was seated, but mercifully they missed him. In fact, and by the grace of God, both Liberio and his passenger were unharmed.
The Italian police are still searching for the shooter.
SA341G(S) YU-HOT (1390) as seen at Drina River in Bosnia on 4th July 2021
SA342M F-MGBA as seen at Grenoble Le Versoud on 22nd September 2020 (Photo by Pierrick Gallotti)
SA341B G-HSDL (WA1227) as seen at Manchester Barton on 17th June 2021 (Photo by Simon Edwards)
So glad that member Liberio is safe and unharmed, this is not something we expect in so called civil countries. I hope they catch the culprit. He deserves to be in jail.
In other countries such as Brazil, Rio etc this is a daily occurance for the police pilots - do they armour plate the underside of the helicopter in some way - BAG Gazelles I think had some with Armoured seats.
I still can't believe what I've just read about '7UP'?! Thanks God nobody got hurt. I believe the police would characterize this crime as 'attempted murder'.
Elipix, the police in Brasil have had a rough time for sure. When I arrived in Kenya in 1985, flying for Autair, I was shown a pair of 500 'C' models by the late Ted Goss, director of Kenya's anti-poaching unit. Both of these craft had multiple patches riveted onto parts of the fuselage where the poachers had tried their luck. Again, thankfully no crew fatalities. These aircraft had no armour at all.
𝑰 𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒑𝒐𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒆 𝒘𝒐𝒖𝒍𝒅 𝒄𝒉𝒂𝒓𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒊𝒛𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝒄𝒓𝒊𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒔 '𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒆𝒎𝒑𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒎𝒖𝒓𝒅𝒆𝒓'. — If the motive can be determined, then it is quite possible Zis. The mayor of Capodimonte is a member of Lega Nord (the Northern League) and we have a number of enemies, so it is possible (but as yet unconfirmed) that this may be politically motivated.
There is another theory being discussed in relation to this incident and which involves the hunting of wild boar in the area. However, unless the pigs in Viterbo have learned to fly, I just don't see this as being a viable cause.
I thought HA-LFE was owned by the late Mark Weir and painted the same green as his other Gazelle, Did it not go into storage in Central England after his death. Do I remember correctly this might have been the Gazelle sold in Spain ? Again as usual have not got my records with me !
I thought HA-LFE was owned by the late Mark Weir and painted the same green as his other Gazelle, Did it not go into storage in Central England after his death. Do I remember correctly this might have been the Gazelle sold in Spain ? Again as usual have not got my records with me !
SA341B ZA766 (WA1808) as seen near Portrush in Northern Ireland on 3rd September 2006 (Photo by Chris Patton)
I'm certain this shot has appeared before, but .. too good not to post again. The photographer writes: "Having dropped off Red 10 on the beach in West Bay, this Gazelle from Aldergrove then flew out to Ballykelly." Does anyone know what or who 'Red 10' may refer to in this narrative?
Also, speaking of red, can anyone offer some suggestions as to the 'red frisbee' we are looking at off the craft's port bow?
I thought HA-LFE was owned by the late Mark Weir and painted the same green as his other Gazelle, Did it not go into storage in Central England after his death. Do I remember correctly this might have been the Gazelle sold in Spain ? Again as usual have not got my records with me !
LFE, LFB and HEI.
Elipix, did Markus own any other helicopters that you know of?
And for those who haven't seen it, 'Mark's journey to work' posted below:
So that makes at least three Gaz flyers who began on Enstroms. Our own Stefano, the late Markus and Avia member Carlo whom we haven't heard from in a wee while. I did appreciate his description of the Gazelle's handling characteristics, that was nice.
I will check my records because it is interesting what owners flew/owned before the Gazelle. One of our members owned many Enstroms before moving onto the Gazelle. Enstrom F28, Enstrom 480
Thanks Jos, good to see a new country being added to the Gazelle list. It was mentioned a while ago on here as a reservation but has taken months to actually appear.
'𝑶𝒉 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑫𝑯 𝑪𝒐𝒎𝒆𝒕 𝑹𝒂𝒄𝒆𝒓 - 𝒔𝒆𝒆𝒏 𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒚 𝒕𝒊𝒎𝒆𝒔 𝒂𝒕 𝑯𝒂𝒕𝒇𝒊𝒆𝒍𝒅 𝒐𝒑𝒆𝒏 𝒅𝒂𝒚𝒔 𝒃𝒖𝒊𝒍𝒕 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒔𝒑𝒆𝒆𝒅 𝒂 𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 𝒃𝒆𝒂𝒖𝒕𝒊𝒇𝒖𝒍 𝑩𝒓𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒔𝒉 𝒂𝒊𝒓𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒇𝒕.' — Over the years I think we have established that we share many common interests and appreciations and the Comet Racer is certainly one of them. In fact, I would say that this craft pretty much epitomises the 'aviational verve' of the interwar years. It is as you say, a truly beautiful aeroplane.
I will check my records because it is interesting what owners flew/owned before the Gazelle. One of our members owned many Enstroms before moving onto the Gazelle. Enstrom F28, Enstrom 480
I don’t mind you using my name.
I have had a 28a, a 28c, a 280FX and a 480. I then bought a factory new 480. I've and a few Hillers and a few MD's, no Robinson’s mind you.
There are a few Enstrom owners who went on to own Alouettes and others who traded-up to MD's.
It would be a very large list of all the helicopters you have owned, I remember visiting you and you had a Gazelle and one of the MD's in the garden. Anything in particular put you off the Robinsons ?
'𝑨𝒏𝒚𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒊𝒏 𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒊𝒄𝒖𝒍𝒂𝒓 𝒑𝒖𝒕 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒐𝒇𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑹𝒐𝒃𝒊𝒏𝒔𝒐𝒏𝒔 ?' — I think it may be a little unfair to ask this, given the limited space we have in our comments section.
It would be a very large list of all the helicopters you have owned, I remember visiting you and you had a Gazelle and one of the MD's in the garden. Anything in particular put you off the Robinsons ?
Many years ago I flew my 280FX to Sloane's at Sywell for a test flight in one of their newish type R44's. When I arrived, the CFI told me that it was quite windy, that the conditions weren't ideal for performing the flight and that we would rather put it off for another day.
I explained that I lived an hour away by air and that my Enstrom had managed the weather on the way there without problem, and so we conducted the flight. Afterwards, I realised that the Robinson simply wasn't as good as the Enstrom, so I decided there and then that I would buy a used 480, for there was one available at Shoreham and it wasn’t much more expensive if at all.
A week later I was at Shoreham with Dennis doing my 480 rating/training and as I also had an FAA licence I flew my new 480 home.
Who needs cars when you can fly from your house ? I know of a chap who was banned from driving so bought a helicopter and flew to his local supermarket for shopping. Apparently he said, see if the police can catch me up in the sky.
'𝑾𝒉𝒆𝒏 𝑰 𝒂𝒓𝒓𝒊𝒗𝒆𝒅, 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑪𝑭𝑰 𝒕𝒐𝒍𝒅 𝒎𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒊𝒕 𝒘𝒂𝒔 𝒒𝒖𝒊𝒕𝒆 𝒘𝒊𝒏𝒅𝒚, 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒅𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒔 𝒘𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒏'𝒕 𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒂𝒍 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒑𝒆𝒓𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒍𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒘𝒆 𝒘𝒐𝒖𝒍𝒅 𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓 𝒑𝒖𝒕 𝒊𝒕 𝒐𝒇𝒇 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒂𝒏𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓 𝒅𝒂𝒚.' — High winds (and sometimes even moderate winds), CG loading and negative g are not best friends of semirigid rotor systems which tend to require delicate nursing in such circumstances.
'𝑰 𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘 𝒐𝒇 𝒂 𝒄𝒉𝒂𝒑 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒘𝒂𝒔 𝒃𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒆𝒅 𝒇𝒓𝒐𝒎 𝒅𝒓𝒊𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒔𝒐 𝒃𝒐𝒖𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒂 𝒉𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒐𝒑𝒕𝒆𝒓 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒇𝒍𝒆𝒘 𝒕𝒐 𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝒍𝒐𝒄𝒂𝒍 𝒔𝒖𝒑𝒆𝒓𝒎𝒂𝒓𝒌𝒆𝒕 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒔𝒉𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒊𝒏𝒈. 𝑨𝒑𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒍𝒚 𝒉𝒆 𝒔𝒂𝒊𝒅, 𝒔𝒆𝒆 𝒊𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒑𝒐𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒆 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒄𝒂𝒕𝒄𝒉 𝒎𝒆 𝒖𝒑 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒔𝒌𝒚.' — I think there are a number of owners who began their helicoptering this way, including Roy Flood, the owner of Castle Air.
There are some areas on 3615 where she seems to have had some additional adhesive patches, perhaps the reflective stickers like the training aircraft have?
The ALAT training helos had dayglo patches kept for the entire duration of their service in a training unit, which could leave a print once stripped off. Could you provide more details about these adhesive patches?
With the help of some enthusiasts and this forum, the following has emerged.
C-GVHC was damaged beyond repair on 02-Dec-1980; officially cancelled 11-Apr-1984; reappeared as N71PU in Oct-2019.
C-GXQE was destroyed by fire on 22-Jun-1981, officially cancelled 04-Sep-1984, reappeared as N341CF in Jan-2020.
Both USA registrations were first registered to Hevolution Ltd and then to Qualitair LLC Trustee (plus some others). Hevolution Ltd is a (rather vague) Bulgarian company. Qualitair LLC is a German company allowing European owners to fly under an N-registration. So, it looks like the two were shipped from Canada to Bulgaria at some time. But perhaps only the data plate was shipped and used on other airframes. Like Enrico once stated: perhaps an RBD repair (Reconstruction By Dataplate!).
Aviafora receives an unusual amount of requests for independent information about Gazelles which are for sale and we therefore appreciate the ability to serve our members and visitors by providing as much information as we can regarding the background and history of various airframes.
The ALAT training helos had dayglo patches kept for the entire duration of their service in a training unit, which could leave a print once stripped off. Could you provide more details about these adhesive patches?
There was a sticker either side of the helicopter above the roundel. The vertical stabiliser also has marks where a sticker was and there are marks where stickers were on the top of the fenestron in the same place where the day-glow flashes were on training helicopters.
Does anyone know the exact colour the orange day-glow stickers were?
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