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Grazie mille Jos! Perhaps Stefano will offer us some more info on the future of these birds.
Btw, are you able to shed any light on the registration/construction number of the latest Gazelle for sale on the GazMart because the owner is saying it is 1098 http://www.aviafora.com/forums/forum...0877#post10877
Its interesting that the CAA have two different helicopters listed with the same c/n 1098... G-BZFJ and G-WDEV ?
This is what I think is correct:-
1098 is G-BBHW, G-IZEL, G-WDEV (The original paper document shows G-BBHW registered as WA1098)
1102 is XW861, G-BZFJ, UR-ABBA
The owner must have paperwork with the correct c/n or has the CAA told him its 1098 (because thats what they have it as) when it was exported from the UK ? Its over to the owner to show us the correct paperwork, and then we will know for real and problem solved !
Herewith is the CAA cancellation of registration document for UR-ABBA, but as mentioned above, we've also asked for a photo of the data plate.
The discouraging thing (for me at least) is when the national aviation authorities 'get it wrong' so to speak, by failing to confirm the facts, for as Elipix noted, how can both G-BZFJ and G-WDEV be allocated the same construction number?
Herewith is the CAA cancellation of registration document for UR-ABBA, but as mentioned above, we've also asked for a photo of the data plate.
The discouraging thing (for me at least) is when the national aviation authorities 'get it wrong' so to speak, by failing to confirm the facts, for as Elipix noted, how can both G-BZFJ and G-WDEV be allocated the same construction number?
The photos of UR-ABBA show an ex-UK military bird whereas G-WDEV was a civilian bird I believe.
There is probably an interesting story behind this photo, but as yet I am not aware of it. Let us see however what information may unfurl in times ahead.
G-CBKA sadly the owner John Windmill passed away while on holiday in the USA on 1.4.17.
The permit to fly expired on 9.1.18 so probably stored at his private location with other helicopters he had. The last pictures I can find of KA are visiting a heli day at Breighton in 2013.
Having just read an aviation magazine from the 1980s, it seems this Gazelle (or at least the remains) was noted at Chalmington Manor Airfield in the late 80s.
This is the first I have heard of this Gazelle being in the UK and I doubt we may ever find out what happened to it after reading the following !
Brian Woodford owner of the Manor and airfield was and apparently is still wanted for smuggling military parts into Iran via his company Monarch Aviation.
He had another company in the UK Wessex Aviation & Transport Ltd and had a large collection of aircraft including: 5 X Dornier DO.27s, a Fox Moth, MS.500 Criquet, Westland Lysander, Antonov AN-2 and a 180hp American registered Cessna 152.
G-CBKA sadly the owner John Windmill passed away while on holiday in the USA on 1.4.17.
The permit to fly expired on 9.1.18 so probably stored at his private location with other helicopters he had. The last pictures I can find of KA are visiting a heli day at Breighton in 2013.
John's family are still discussing the issues surrounding the disposal of his assets.
I clearly remember when John and a few other Gazelle owners visited for the annual helicopter day at Breighton.
Difficult to gauge the scale of the above looks like 1/72 going on the size of the typewriter label. The two models I purchased were 1/48 scale Alouette and Gazelle.
Have not completed them yet, working on the Alouette first then the Gazelle, will post pictures of each when complete.
I am honestly amazed, what can you say with evidence like that. Every mention of G-BBHW/IZEL/WDEV shows the construction number as 1098 (even the CAA ?)
So as Sav has pointed out G-BZFJ being a 341C model, surely the data plate would show it as a C model not G ?
What would be great would be having a look at the data plate of WDEV if it still exists. This craft was a G model !
I am honestly amazed, what can you say with evidence like that. Every mention of G-BBHW/IZEL/WDEV shows the construction number as 1098 (even the CAA ?)
So as Sav has pointed out G-BZFJ being a 341C model, surely the data plate would show it as a C model not G ?
What would be great would be having a look at the data plate of WDEV if it still exists. This craft was a G model !
Still confused
Helipixman
I have seen quite a few Gazelle data plates, but I have never seen one with series G written on it!
I think this could have been altered after it left the UK military.
The 'Yeovil dataplate' iillustrated, is also devoid of the Date of Manufacture and the factory quality control inspectors stamps, traditionally found on a aerospatiale/eurocopter/airbus helicopter 'pukka' dataplate.
I contacted the CAA earlier today after seeing the photo of the data plate and received a very courteous reply from the head of aircraft registrations who basically admitted that there was an error, but that since the aircraft has been out of the UK for so long they will leave their records as they are.
Apparently this had been queried in 2004 by an Aviation Historian group and I have contacted them to see if there was a final outcome.
Having seen this reply I still believe UR-ABBA is actually 1102 but somehow has a data plate showing 1098 ?????
G-BBHW (also 1098) seems to have been a civilian bird from the beginning, so I agree that it doesn't make much sense for 1102 to be 1098 .. and yet .. this is what the CAA records show and now also the aircraft itself !!!
Motivation? Alright, we understand that there can be some advantages to owning/operating a civilian Gazelle compared with an ex-UK mil bird, particularly when that craft is operating outside the UK, so let's assume the worst for a moment, but if we do that we must ask the question .. 'How does someone 'feed' 1098 into the CAA's registration database while declaring that the aircraft was formerly XX861?' — and this being done 'before' G-WDEV was written off, ie. while another 1098 was active ???
G-TSTR
Westland SA341D Gazelle HT.3
C/n: 1905
P/i: ZB625
Owner: The Gazelle Squadron Display Team Ltd, 11.6.19
This Gazelle is an ex Qinetiq machine and I assume the registration is to reflect the work they do... Tester !
She has 10,960 hrs as of the end of May 2019 and is awaiting permit issue.
Lets hope someone from the Squadron can post some images soon.
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